You're also right Skunky, but let me say:
I took the wrong comparison, maybe you're right, saying that people here is looking for fun and no stress.
People is looking for good tracks, and not only for what we call fame (at lease i call it).
What i want to say, is that it's like a game!
On trackmania (the game i mean), you can play to be the first of the ladder (and nolife as hell, with different strategies) or play for fun.
Does nadeo gives you the possibility to see (ingame) who's behind the top 10 of the world ladder? No.

Same here, if you nolife, or in other words, you spend a lot of time on building maps and try to get known, you go in the top 10 and your tracks are seen by all.
Who only build and upload for fun, without doing anything to reach the top 10, will stay unknown.
We should find a compromise, but people here (im not talking about you, but about who complaints about the fact that he don't get awards) seems to want these 2 things:
-Fun
-Attention
Without doing a minimum of effort.

That's not a good thing, but that's how it's working and IMO is not possible to change.

Coming more on topic, i would agree with skunky: we really miss the "show-more" button from the Botw list.

.dejavu says:

Same here, if you nolife, or in other words, you spend a lot of time on building maps and try to get known, you go in the top 10 and your tracks are seen by all.
Who only build and upload for fun, without doing anything to reach the top 10, will stay unknown.
We should find a compromise, but people here (im not talking about you, but about who complaints about the fact that he don't get awards) seems to want these 2 things:
-Fun
-Attention
Without doing a minimum of effort.

I know what you're talking about and there are people like this who complain a lot and do little to change things.
But that's just one part of the story.
Many ambitious authors never get recognized because they never made it into the botw. And I don't want to support the nolifers only. The nolifers have enough time and obviously not many other interests. They will make their way to the (TM) top anyway.
But a lot of people don't have the time to be active here all the time. It can be work, school, family, whatever...
Still they may be working very hard on a track, it may take weeks until they polished it, but it gets pass the newest list and just a few people ever get to play it because nobody knows this guy.

And the point is not that he lost a spot in the botw, the point is that we missed a great track, maybe hours of great fun and inspiration for our own tracks.

Even those who complain and don't do enough even though they would have the time.. I don't care about their fame, but maybe some of them delivered some great tracks and we miss them because there's no room for them in the botw.

And in the end we all lose. The authors lose motivation and we lose authors and tracks.
A few elitist authors 'win' by losing competitors. But is that really a win?

SkunkY says:


Even those who complain and don't do enough even though they would have the time.. I don't care about their fame, but maybe some of them delivered some great tracks and we miss them because there's no room for them in the botw.

And in the end we all lose. The authors lose motivation and we lose authors and tracks.
A few elitist authors 'win' by losing competitors. But is that really a win?

Good points here..

I have nothing more to add... But still, it's hard to implement such system. The "social" logics of real life, are valid also here, even if this is a game.
There are victories and there are injustices. You can not make everyone happy...

At this point, the only usefull thing i read here and i think that could be usefull are the following:
-Add the show more button
-only ONE track per autor in the BOTW (with possible pop-up window when going over the name with the mouse)
-Create a different BOTW list for each style:
---1 for tech
---1 for shorties
---1 for fullspeed

With this last one, of course, we can't add a window for each style, but a window for the most common styles would be possible imo.

Adding different botw lists for each style is something I hope never to see. I believe that users will start following only 1 or 2 of the lists and ignoring the other ones ... tracks they may have tried had they all be in the same list. This is not the kind of behavior that I think we should be encouraging.

As far as the roll over vs. show more idea, why can't we have both? The roll over would work as I said before, and clicking on 'show more' would result in an unfiltered list with no roll over features.

I'm fine with a combination. We only have to convince ff. ^^

When a track leaves the "Latest Tracks" list with 5 downloads while the track below it has 6 awards, something is very wrong. Therefore I propose this solution: replace the "Latest Tracks" list on the front page with a "Least Downloaded This Week" list. This way, everyone's track is guaranteed to be played by a reasonable number of people.

Damn... that's weird, but looks really intresting D:

While the idea is interesting it wouldn't work because the list would be too long. New tracks would be kicked out of this window with 1 or 2 downloads.

Thinking about it, it's probably not the best idea. But at least let me sort tracks by number of downloads. I'm sure that feature is coming eventually though.

Forza already added a random track download feature that focuses on tracks with few downloads fyi.

Concerning the topic of only one track per author it actually makes sense and would be more consistent with other features on MX. Imagine if you could hog a leaderboard with top times- would be funny on one hand, much like the botw situation atm, yet kind of f'cked on the other.